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		<title>Comment on La Figurelle: Baroque, French-Inspired Shapewear by Miss Shapen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Shapen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 10:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, thank you SO much for posting about this.  I am dying of want.  One day I will have them all!  But especially the blue set.  My word.  Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, thank you SO much for posting about this.  I am dying of want.  One day I will have them all!  But especially the blue set.  My word.  Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plus Size Lingerie And Swimwear for Your Inner Ballerina: Meet Lulu West by Mari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 21:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to see new companies and product lines. This seems to happen in the US and UK. 

In my area in Europe, things are getting worse. Since the economic recess started, it looks like it&#039;s the larger cup lingerie that&#039;s been taking the hit. Although the average woman is US size 34D, most lingerie stores stock up mainly on A&#039;s and B&#039;s thinking that will sell. 

Take for example, the largest department store in my city, its lingerie section has the best selection of brands in the country. Yesterday, I went looking for a sport swimsuit in my cup size (US 32E) and was curtly told they did not stock cup E at all in any kind of swimsuits! 

On the way home, I really felt I was treated like a leper. Was this a message that women my size are supposed to stay away from doing sports, away from beaches and swimming pools?

Ordering on-line has not worked for me in the past. I did, however, check the British webstores and found out that any swimsuits my size were either sold out or not suited for actual swimming nor my kind of active aqua aerobics. And goes without saying, anything remotely okay was always black and ugly... (sigh). 

(I&#039;ve never understood why large breasted women are thought to want to go to a public swimming pool in an ugly black rag.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to see new companies and product lines. This seems to happen in the US and UK. </p>
<p>In my area in Europe, things are getting worse. Since the economic recess started, it looks like it&#8217;s the larger cup lingerie that&#8217;s been taking the hit. Although the average woman is US size 34D, most lingerie stores stock up mainly on A&#8217;s and B&#8217;s thinking that will sell. </p>
<p>Take for example, the largest department store in my city, its lingerie section has the best selection of brands in the country. Yesterday, I went looking for a sport swimsuit in my cup size (US 32E) and was curtly told they did not stock cup E at all in any kind of swimsuits! </p>
<p>On the way home, I really felt I was treated like a leper. Was this a message that women my size are supposed to stay away from doing sports, away from beaches and swimming pools?</p>
<p>Ordering on-line has not worked for me in the past. I did, however, check the British webstores and found out that any swimsuits my size were either sold out or not suited for actual swimming nor my kind of active aqua aerobics. And goes without saying, anything remotely okay was always black and ugly&#8230; (sigh). </p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve never understood why large breasted women are thought to want to go to a public swimming pool in an ugly black rag.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s the 1 Thing You Want to Tell the Lingerie Industry? by sedot</title>
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		<dc:creator>sedot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 19:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cannot find decent bras in large cups with smalll bands not to mention lingerie...thats just impossible, im a 28I in US sizes which doesn&#039;t even exist so I am a 28G in UK instead because thats all I can find and those are limited to two or three styles.   And if I actually want sexy lingerie I can give it up because a small waist means small bust sizes so i &quot;bust&quot; right out of them.  SIzing charts make me an XS when it comes to waist and hip but bust size I&#039;m an XL so there is nothing that works.  Beyond frustrating.   I&#039;ve even had my breasts lifted and reduced and still the same mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cannot find decent bras in large cups with smalll bands not to mention lingerie&#8230;thats just impossible, im a 28I in US sizes which doesn&#8217;t even exist so I am a 28G in UK instead because thats all I can find and those are limited to two or three styles.   And if I actually want sexy lingerie I can give it up because a small waist means small bust sizes so i &#8220;bust&#8221; right out of them.  SIzing charts make me an XS when it comes to waist and hip but bust size I&#8217;m an XL so there is nothing that works.  Beyond frustrating.   I&#8217;ve even had my breasts lifted and reduced and still the same mess.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Defense of Ready-to-Wear Corsets by Marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 17:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!</description>
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		<title>Comment on In Defense of Ready-to-Wear Corsets by Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 10:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often do a combination of RTW, demi bespoke and bespoke depending on the brand and style of the corset. I did a demi bespoke with a corset I loved just to change the material because it wasn&#039;t traditionally done in black leather and so they did a special one off just for me (yay!). I prefer overbusts which can make fitting difficult as there is over 12 inches between my corset waist and my bust, 15 inches between my corset waist and my hips....finding something that fits can be a real struggle but I persevere! I have a great collection and I&#039;m lusting after great designers all the time :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often do a combination of RTW, demi bespoke and bespoke depending on the brand and style of the corset. I did a demi bespoke with a corset I loved just to change the material because it wasn&#8217;t traditionally done in black leather and so they did a special one off just for me (yay!). I prefer overbusts which can make fitting difficult as there is over 12 inches between my corset waist and my bust, 15 inches between my corset waist and my hips&#8230;.finding something that fits can be a real struggle but I persevere! I have a great collection and I&#8217;m lusting after great designers all the time :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Broke Up With Victoria&#8217;s Secret by Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 01:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this dates me I recall VS when they started moving into malls and virtually every new mall had one. I decided back then to study them as a company and what made them successful. My conclusions back then were this was a company that happens to be extraordinarily profitable that happens to sell lingerie. They could just as well sell any other personal product based upon their business model. They have based their busines upon selling bras, panties and various other female friendly products that their research told them &quot;women&quot; and men who wear buying products for women would want to buy. All very well planned, coordinated and executed. It is not very surprising to me that they now suffer significant fatigue from women as their product quality, salesmanship and customer service are severely lacking. When I started on Ebay selling their catalog returns and overstocks I learned that while they had a very liberal return policy in their stores and catalog returns, they simply sold them off, clean or dirty, in bulk, for one to three dollars per item. This made it ideal for selling on Ebay as the Victoria&#039;s Secret name was so widely known many women were anxious to purchase them. Once again I learned that they had a very clear busines plan, having their bras and other products made in non US locations. I also learned that they had a dramatic mark up which meant they could profit regardless of what price they sold their products at, including $1.00 to $3.00 dollars each. Even with destroying the damaged, soiled and non saleable items there was still a profit on an auction site.  I personally don&#039;t venture into their stores anymore, don&#039;t wear their products, but many women, particularly younger women, in this country still consider them the place to go, based almost entirely on the television ads, lingerie runway shows and all the glitz and glamour. Amazing what you can do with millions of dollars in advertising and public relations. Product quality and sales persons training, apparently was not on the agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this dates me I recall VS when they started moving into malls and virtually every new mall had one. I decided back then to study them as a company and what made them successful. My conclusions back then were this was a company that happens to be extraordinarily profitable that happens to sell lingerie. They could just as well sell any other personal product based upon their business model. They have based their busines upon selling bras, panties and various other female friendly products that their research told them &#8220;women&#8221; and men who wear buying products for women would want to buy. All very well planned, coordinated and executed. It is not very surprising to me that they now suffer significant fatigue from women as their product quality, salesmanship and customer service are severely lacking. When I started on Ebay selling their catalog returns and overstocks I learned that while they had a very liberal return policy in their stores and catalog returns, they simply sold them off, clean or dirty, in bulk, for one to three dollars per item. This made it ideal for selling on Ebay as the Victoria&#8217;s Secret name was so widely known many women were anxious to purchase them. Once again I learned that they had a very clear busines plan, having their bras and other products made in non US locations. I also learned that they had a dramatic mark up which meant they could profit regardless of what price they sold their products at, including $1.00 to $3.00 dollars each. Even with destroying the damaged, soiled and non saleable items there was still a profit on an auction site.  I personally don&#8217;t venture into their stores anymore, don&#8217;t wear their products, but many women, particularly younger women, in this country still consider them the place to go, based almost entirely on the television ads, lingerie runway shows and all the glitz and glamour. Amazing what you can do with millions of dollars in advertising and public relations. Product quality and sales persons training, apparently was not on the agenda.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Defense of Photoshop by Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 22:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are significant problems with justifying the use of Photoshop based on what any individual perceives with their eyes when looking at others.  The first problem, part of the reason we do not notice blemishes flaws etc is because people go to great lengths to mask them (concealer, botox etc).  That I do not notice them many times is not because I am not looking but rather that individuals often go to great lengths to prevent me from noticing them.  This reflects what another poster has already called attention to--blemishes, wrinkles etc are flaws and thus should be hidden.  Photoshop is not the genesis of this practice.  However the use of Photoshop to remove them from images reproduces that thinking.  Put another way Photoshop is being used within a logic that says particular elements of the body should be hidden or at least made not noticeable to others.  And it is the logic that informs the use of Photoshop that is relevant and not the amount of Photoshopping that is done (i.e. retouching v. alteration).

The second issue concerns proximity--most people do not talk to others in a close up relationship.  Much of advertising that focuses on the face comes in the form of facial close ups and it is not a stretch to say that if people spoke with their faces close up (as in a facial close up) they would indeed see the pores, wrinkles, moles, blemishes etc.  Again we don&#039;t notice them because when speaking we do not focus on the face.  However with camera close ups we are focused on the face (or other body parts).  Blemishes etc become noticeable because of the proximity generated by the close up shot.  &quot;Softening&quot; the image and removing blemishes, wrinkles etc does not make the camera more like our eye.  Rather it fails to acknowledge the impact of proximity on what we pay attention to.  Put your face in close proximity to mine, and yes I am more likely to notice your &quot;flaws.&quot;  

Which brings me to the third.  Retouching to show us what our eye sees merely reinforces the disciplining of the body in ways that reflect dominant conceptions of &quot;legitimate bodies.&quot;  Yes the camera produces distortions but again what is relevant is the logic that animates the correction of those distortions that is relevant.  Sure one can say we correct for the camera adding 10 pounds so we see the &quot;truth&quot; of this person&#039;s body---and yet there is anxiety about the body---we need to correct for those 10 pounds because the person does not have those 10 pounds--and they shouldn&#039;t.  So what if the camera adds 10 pounds, we can all accept and realize that distortion and move on.  And yet we don&#039;t and presenting the &quot;truth&quot; of X model&#039;s body ensures that we know that they know that shouldn&#039;t look 10 pounds heavier in their everyday lives.

Two final points:

1)  If people did not pay attention to the bodily flaws of others, why all the body snark?  If they did not, there would be no need for the exceptional cultural political work that this blog is doing.  In fact people do pay attention to these things, advertising tell us we should be paying attention to these things (concealer, wear a Hip T to hide your muffin top, botox to remove wrinkles etc).

2) Most complaints about Photoshop are not concerned with retouching or correcting for minor distortions.  All the attempts to regulate the use of Photopshop emphasize significant use of Photoshop to alter images.  While I do not discount that individuals here have encountered general dismissals of Photoshop, much of the discourse concerned with the cultural impact of Photoshop addresses significant manipulation of images, manipulations that are consistent with logics that are not about showing the &quot;truth of bodies&quot; but rather presenting images of ideal bodies that should be attained particularly through the consumption of particular products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are significant problems with justifying the use of Photoshop based on what any individual perceives with their eyes when looking at others.  The first problem, part of the reason we do not notice blemishes flaws etc is because people go to great lengths to mask them (concealer, botox etc).  That I do not notice them many times is not because I am not looking but rather that individuals often go to great lengths to prevent me from noticing them.  This reflects what another poster has already called attention to&#8211;blemishes, wrinkles etc are flaws and thus should be hidden.  Photoshop is not the genesis of this practice.  However the use of Photoshop to remove them from images reproduces that thinking.  Put another way Photoshop is being used within a logic that says particular elements of the body should be hidden or at least made not noticeable to others.  And it is the logic that informs the use of Photoshop that is relevant and not the amount of Photoshopping that is done (i.e. retouching v. alteration).</p>
<p>The second issue concerns proximity&#8211;most people do not talk to others in a close up relationship.  Much of advertising that focuses on the face comes in the form of facial close ups and it is not a stretch to say that if people spoke with their faces close up (as in a facial close up) they would indeed see the pores, wrinkles, moles, blemishes etc.  Again we don&#8217;t notice them because when speaking we do not focus on the face.  However with camera close ups we are focused on the face (or other body parts).  Blemishes etc become noticeable because of the proximity generated by the close up shot.  &#8220;Softening&#8221; the image and removing blemishes, wrinkles etc does not make the camera more like our eye.  Rather it fails to acknowledge the impact of proximity on what we pay attention to.  Put your face in close proximity to mine, and yes I am more likely to notice your &#8220;flaws.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Which brings me to the third.  Retouching to show us what our eye sees merely reinforces the disciplining of the body in ways that reflect dominant conceptions of &#8220;legitimate bodies.&#8221;  Yes the camera produces distortions but again what is relevant is the logic that animates the correction of those distortions that is relevant.  Sure one can say we correct for the camera adding 10 pounds so we see the &#8220;truth&#8221; of this person&#8217;s body&#8212;and yet there is anxiety about the body&#8212;we need to correct for those 10 pounds because the person does not have those 10 pounds&#8211;and they shouldn&#8217;t.  So what if the camera adds 10 pounds, we can all accept and realize that distortion and move on.  And yet we don&#8217;t and presenting the &#8220;truth&#8221; of X model&#8217;s body ensures that we know that they know that shouldn&#8217;t look 10 pounds heavier in their everyday lives.</p>
<p>Two final points:</p>
<p>1)  If people did not pay attention to the bodily flaws of others, why all the body snark?  If they did not, there would be no need for the exceptional cultural political work that this blog is doing.  In fact people do pay attention to these things, advertising tell us we should be paying attention to these things (concealer, wear a Hip T to hide your muffin top, botox to remove wrinkles etc).</p>
<p>2) Most complaints about Photoshop are not concerned with retouching or correcting for minor distortions.  All the attempts to regulate the use of Photopshop emphasize significant use of Photoshop to alter images.  While I do not discount that individuals here have encountered general dismissals of Photoshop, much of the discourse concerned with the cultural impact of Photoshop addresses significant manipulation of images, manipulations that are consistent with logics that are not about showing the &#8220;truth of bodies&#8221; but rather presenting images of ideal bodies that should be attained particularly through the consumption of particular products.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Defense of Photoshop by Marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 18:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally sympathize with the villainization of your profession.  As a fashion designer, I always feel myself being a little defensive because aside from the body image issues (in my craft, evidenced by typical sample sizes and runway models), there&#039;s also this guilt trip about materialism.  Neither of which are really a reflection of my personal business model or ideals.  I love your last two sentences - a retoucher&#039;s job isn&#039;t to change, merely enhance.  What&#039;s wrong with making all the elements look their best?  An unretouched image is essentially a draft, not a finished piece, and it doesn&#039;t do justice to the hard work of a creative team.  All things in moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally sympathize with the villainization of your profession.  As a fashion designer, I always feel myself being a little defensive because aside from the body image issues (in my craft, evidenced by typical sample sizes and runway models), there&#8217;s also this guilt trip about materialism.  Neither of which are really a reflection of my personal business model or ideals.  I love your last two sentences &#8211; a retoucher&#8217;s job isn&#8217;t to change, merely enhance.  What&#8217;s wrong with making all the elements look their best?  An unretouched image is essentially a draft, not a finished piece, and it doesn&#8217;t do justice to the hard work of a creative team.  All things in moderation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Defense of Photoshop by Marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 18:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My girlfriend (a graphic designer) loves your comment; she thinks your analogies are spot on and your overall point is perfect.  I agree; your &quot;user vs the tool&quot; statement is a very concise summation of my ultimate conclusion.  Thanks for commenting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My girlfriend (a graphic designer) loves your comment; she thinks your analogies are spot on and your overall point is perfect.  I agree; your &#8220;user vs the tool&#8221; statement is a very concise summation of my ultimate conclusion.  Thanks for commenting!</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Defense of Photoshop by Marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 18:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Laura, you can read my response to Lauren above, and my answer to Lily covers it a bit as well.  Out of curiosity, since you say &quot;digital or otherwise&quot; with regard to adjusting lighting and the like, how do you feel about the use of shapewear, makeup, hair dye, and high heels to alter body parts?
Mostly, though, I still maintain that the majority of Photoshop use to manipulate body parts is basically correcting for the way a camera captures a form compared to the way our eyes and brain see and record it.  It&#039;s just that nobody talks about that on Photoshop Fail posts or Jezebel articles.  We do have a real problem with overcorrecting (or &quot;correcting&quot; nothing at all), though, and you&#039;re right to take issue with it.  I guess I just wouldn&#039;t, personally, being in &quot;The Industry&quot; as both a model and a designer, make any kind of blanket statement about digital body manipulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laura, you can read my response to Lauren above, and my answer to Lily covers it a bit as well.  Out of curiosity, since you say &#8220;digital or otherwise&#8221; with regard to adjusting lighting and the like, how do you feel about the use of shapewear, makeup, hair dye, and high heels to alter body parts?<br />
Mostly, though, I still maintain that the majority of Photoshop use to manipulate body parts is basically correcting for the way a camera captures a form compared to the way our eyes and brain see and record it.  It&#8217;s just that nobody talks about that on Photoshop Fail posts or Jezebel articles.  We do have a real problem with overcorrecting (or &#8220;correcting&#8221; nothing at all), though, and you&#8217;re right to take issue with it.  I guess I just wouldn&#8217;t, personally, being in &#8220;The Industry&#8221; as both a model and a designer, make any kind of blanket statement about digital body manipulations.</p>
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