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When Body Snark Becomes Even Uglier: The Problem with Calling People ‘Tr*nny’

Warning: Triggering language below.

The impetus for today’s article. Click to enlarge.

Whether it’s your first time here or you’ve been a reader for years, I firmly believe that talking about lingerie doesn’t mean just talking about bras and panties. Lingerie is also an excellent lens to talk about other, important things that are happening in our world. Very often, these other conversations center around topics like body image or self esteem or beauty standards, and I very much see today’s blog post as a continuation of those discussions.

In the conversation on beauty standards within the lingerie industry, especially as related to body shape and size, there are usually only two sides represented: thinner women and thicker women. But women don’t just come in two sizes or or two shapes or two body types, and all the body celebration talk can start to feel a little exclusionary if you have a build that’s neither ectomorphic (thin) or endomorphic (thick).  And as I was thinking about some of the unique issues mesomorphic (muscular) women deal with in the lingerie and fashion and beauty industries, I also began to think about some of the related (but by no means identical) issues transgender women face in the same spaces. And all this stuff has been percolating in my mind for the last few months, until I finally felt like I had to talk about it.

In the previous paragraph, I mentioned transgender women. I’m not a transgender woman. The gender I was assigned at birth and the gender people see me as is also the one I personally identify with. I’m aware that puts me in a privileged position, so I want to be clear that I’m not speaking for or on behalf of anyone. This is specifically an article about my personal experience with the word. However, I understand how difficult and delicate talking about these topics can be, and I hope this article serves as a spark for conversation within the comments section or even a guest post from someone within the transgender community. I’ve also tried to be as aware and careful as possible in the language I’m using (which does include some offensive/potentially triggering words), but if I’ve made a misstep, please do tell me. And of course it goes without saying that transphobic and/or homophobic remarks, of any kind, will not be tolerated here.

The first photo that elicited the slur. By POC Photo.

As many of you know, there are lots of photos of me online, usually in the pinup style. I have pretty stable self-esteem, so I’m not terribly bothered when people call me ugly or what have you. If I’m not your cuppa, great. But about a year ago, as TLA was starting to get a lot bigger, I noticed the beginnings of a strange new pattern. People started calling me a “tr*nny” in the comments of some my photos. Even now, as I’m typing this, my brows kind of furrow into a confused expression.

It’s not that I’m offended and appalled anyone would think I’m transgender (because, obviously, there’s nothing wrong with being transgender), it’s just that I’m a bit taken aback people would attempt to use gender identity as an insult. 1) How is being transgender a bad thing? 2) Why in the world are you still using those slurs?

But as it happened more and more (never what I’d call “frequently,” but often enough to take notice) and as The Lingerie Addict established itself as an anti-bullying environment, that whole thing got me thinking about body snark. One of the most offensive aspects of body snark is that it’s used to delegitimize women (as the popular phrase like “real women have curves” makes clear). Suddenly, instead of just being a woman, full stop, there are degrees of ‘real’ womanhood to aspire to. And if you don’t make the cut, then I suppose you’re a fake woman. Which is just weird. And silly. And wrong.

The MAC ad Samantha refers to in her piece.

As I mentioned early on, the conversation on body snark is very often limited to just thin and thick women (the “skinny vs. curvy” thing) as though women only come in only those two body types and no more. That makes women with my kind of build (muscular/athletic), feel like the ‘odd chick out’ because it’s not only alienating, it also makes us invisible…which makes insulting us easier. And as highlighted in a Blisstree article by Samantha Escobar last year, muscular women face a very specific kind of body snarking, described in detail in the excerpt below:

“We all know that our society often fat shames people they deem overweight and sometimes body shame those declared too thin, but many men and women consider very muscular women to be “gross” or “unappealing.” I find this strange, since — while I don’t remotely condone it — fat and thin shamers tend to at least cite health as a typical reason for being assholes. When it comes to insulting muscular females, this logic makes no sense; typically, those women work out frequently and eat incredibly well in order to achieve the bodies they have. Why insult them?

Well, it goes back to that “balance” thing regarding our bodies. We’re “allowed” to be strong and toned, but give us some solid definition, and bam — suddenly females are not “feminine” enough anymore. They’re constantly accused of doing steroids or being men, which is both absurd and insulting. On television, ultra-muscular women are typically cast as transgender (which is by no means a negative identity, but most muscular women were not born men; plus, television tends to insult the transgender community through most of these plot lines, as well).”

Way back when…

I definitely empathize with this Catch-22. In my past, pre-Lingerie Addict life, I was an avid martial artist, runner, and weight lifter. My particular body type allows me to build a lot of muscle very easily, and that also means I appear muscular and ‘in-shape’ with very little effort. I’m asked at least twice a week about my ‘killer arm routine’ when the honest truth is…I don’t have one. And I’ve had some very awkward conversations with guys saying they couldn’t date me because I was “too strong” and they were worried I’d “beat them up,” (as an aside, needing to have a partner that’s physically weaker than you is very interesting to me…but that’s a subject for another time).

What’s even more distressing is how often these claims of being “overly masculine” or “inappropriately muscular,” are also linked to race. While prepping this article, I spoke with a couple of models I know who are black, and they revealed that the “you look like a man” remark was unusually common for them as well…at least far more common than it was for white models they knew.

It’s like people are so confused/threatened when you don’t have a ideally feminine face or body or build, that it becomes open season on questioning your gender. It’s, in effect, saying “Your body is so unattractive to me that I have decided you don’t even count as a woman anymore. You are a fake woman. You are incorrect. And you need to conform.” Rest assured, it’s body snark, taken to a very ugly extreme. But that’s not the worst part of all this. My experiences with obnoxious gender policing aside, being called a “tr*nny” has made me think even more about how marginalized actual transgender people are.

The second photo. By Viva Van Story.

When someone calls me that, whether they’re attempting to be insulting or not, I’m able to say “no” and move along with my day, confident in the knowledge that the conversation is over. But I wonder…if I really was transgender and said “yes,” what would happen? And it’s not a pleasant question to think about when you consider the extreme and horrifying violence that transgender people (especially transgender women), face in our society.

If I was a transgender woman and out and publicly visible about my transgenderness, would people feel like they had the right to be awful towards to me? To insult me or harrass me or encourage violence against me? While these particular possibilities are mostly a thought experiment for me in this context, they are very real concerns for transgender people. And I can’t imagine what it must be like to constantly worry people will turn against you and want to hurt you (verbally, physically, or otherwise) over circumstances you literally have no control over.

And the third. This time, I took a screenshot of the comment.

From my perspective, someone’s gender identity is their own personal business. Whatever’s happening below the neck has nothing to do with you. And asking if someone is transgender is not the kind of thing you casually inquire about via Facebook comment. Not all women are “thin” or “curvy.” Some of us are broad, muscular, powerful, athletic types. And if you do feel the need to ask if someone is transgender or not, first ask yourself why. Why is it your business? Why do you need to know? And will it change anything you think about this person? Finally, just avoid the word “tr*nny,” altogther (along with its analogues “shemale,” or “he/she”). Gender is more than your body shape, and one’s gender identity is not a slur. So let’s move past all that.

I know I’ve talked about a LOT of stuff in this article, so it’s definitely time for some conversation. What do you think about the snark against women with muscular body types? How do you feel when someone uses the words mentioned above as an insult? And have you ever personally encountered any of the things I’m talking about here? I’m looking forward to chatting in the comments.

Treacle

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The Lingerie Addict is a Body Snark Free Zone

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Today’s blog post has been four months in the making, pretty much ever since the last article I wrote on body image and body snark back in December. Making a stand on something is always scary, because you never know how people will react. But when something’s been on my mind for a couple hundred days…well, then maybe that means it’s time to say it out loud.

From the very beginning, I’ve wanted The Lingerie Addict to be a place women could find information about lingerie that’s relevant and accessible to them.  I truly believe every woman – no matter her size, age, or budget – deserves gorgeous lingerie, and I want my readers to feel that when they visit.

But lately I’ve learned that being relevant and accessible goes beyond just prices and brands and cup sizes. It also means cultivating a tone on the blog that’s welcoming and inviting. It’s so important to me that The Lingerie Addict is a blog every woman can feel comfortable and safe visiting. And even though my About Page talks about my commitment to inclusivity and polite discourse, I’ve not really been explicit about what that means. And so here it is:

Starting today, The Lingerie Addict is a body snark free zone.

This new direction, if you want to call it that, isn’t a decision I made lightly. I always want people to feel like they’re welcome to comment, even if they disagree with me, but body snark goes beyond a simple difference of opinion and into something that I really cannot, in good conscience, tolerate.

Body snark is bullying.

I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that bullying takes many forms, from physical assault to threats and intimidation to social isolation, and some of you reading this may wonder if bullying is too strong a word to use for body snark. But I believe that intentionally making people feel small and awful and ashamed because they have the audacity to be born with a body type you don’t like (in other words, insulting people just for existing) is bullying. And that’s something The Lingerie Addict cannot and will not support, even in a passive way.

Women come in a range of shapes and sizes, and while you don’t have to think they’re all beautiful (people are entitled to their personal preferences after all), this current climate of listing all the ways women’s bodies are ugly and deficient (too much cellulite, too thin, too fat, too many wrinkles, too old, too light, too dark, etc.) is one I can’t get behind.

No one’s body is “wrong” and in need of changing (or hiding) simply because you don’t like it.

Supporting positive body image doesn’t inquire insults. Nor does wanting more diversity in the kinds of bodies shown in the media make putting down someone else’s body type okay. Every woman is living in a world where there are endless articles about how to make your body “better” and next to none about how to love it just the way it is.

I don’t know how this new policy is going to go over. And I’ve prepared myself for backlash if it happens. But I will say that if you feel like our new “no body snark” policy is unfair or like it’s censorship or like you just can’t enjoy The Lingerie Addict anymore because of it…well, we’re probably not the blog for you, and I’m okay with that.

What do you think about us being a body snark free blog? I welcome your thoughts in the comments.

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Body Image: It Doesn’t Matter What Size You Are…Stop the Body Snark

Today’s blog post was supposed to be a lingerie gift guide. After all, it’s the holidays, and I wanted to share some of my fave picks under $100 with you.  But something happened over the weekend. Something that’s been happening a lot more often in the last few months. It’s something I just can’t keep silent about anymore because I find it disturbing, hypocritical, and just plain wrong. And quite frankly, it’s something that makes me really upset.

In case you’re a new reader, The Lingerie Addict is a body positive blog and one of our missions is to promote body positivity. For us, that means every woman–no matter her size, shape, age, or skin color–is beautiful. And it also means that every woman–no matter her size, shape, age, or skin color–deserves gorgeous lingerie. Put simply: I don’t care if you’re tall, short, thin, curvy, plus size, petite, mature, young, muscular, slim, all of the above, or none of the above, we think your body is fine as is and you don’t need to change it…especially not on the whims of internet strangers.

(You may also like: Real Women, Real Bodies: Why the Lingerie Industry Has a Real Problem)

But lately, I’ve seen some people take the exact opposite approach. Namely, that if they’re curvy, full busted, or plus size then it is perfectly okay to mock, taunt, degrade, and insult thin, small busted, or petite women.

How in the world is that acceptable?

Now, I know some folks are probably saying, “Why are you defending them? Thin women have had it good for too long! Now it’s our turn!” But if it’s wrong to call a curvy woman a “fattie” and tell her that she needs to go on a diet, then it is just as wrong to call a thin woman a ‘pre-pubescent boy” and tell her she needs to eat a cheeseburger (both comments I’ve seen on recent blogs). Insulting other people’s bodies doesn’t suddenly become okay because you have larger boobs or wider hips.

Here’s the facts: struggles with body image and self-esteem issues are not the exclusive property of one size. Every woman is told again and again from puberty onward about all the many, many reasons why her body is defective, inadequate, and imperfect. We are presented with dozens of messages every single day about what we need to do to make our bodies “better,” even when they’re perfectly all right. I just don’t understand why someone, anyone, would want to contribute to that dialogue…especially if you’ve ever been on the receiving end of hurtful comments about your body in the past (and who hasn’t?).

Just to be clear, I don’t care what you find sexy. Some folks like big butts. Some folks like small butts. Some folks like big boobs. Some folks like small boobs. Some folks like flat tummies. Some folks like soft tummies. That’s not the point. Your preference is your preference and whatever gets your juices flowing is good for you.  But just because you like big butts or big boobs or soft tummies  doesn’t mean all the other women of the world have the “wrong” body and need to change it to suit you.

(You may also like: Why Doesn’t the Lingerie Industry Like Women of Color?)

But what about health, Treacle?,” someone is probably saying. “Being too thin is unhealthy, and I’m just telling them to eat a cheeseburger because I care.” Really? Here’s my response to that:

1) Just like some people are naturally thicker than others, some people are naturally thinner than others. It doesn’t matter what they do or how much they eat, they will always be on the thin side. That doesn’t automatically make them unhealthy, but trying force themselves into a body type that isn’t theirs probably will.

2) There’s a huge difference between someone being unhealthily thin and someone being thinner than what you personally find attractive. Case in point, I posted this photo to The Lingerie Addict Facebook Page a few months ago:

One of the very first comments was that I needed to gain 10 pounds. Now, in that photo, I’m 5’8″ and 155 lbs (I’m around 170 lbs. now, as seen in this recent photo). I was a graduate student and an active martial artist. I worked out 5 days a week, probably ate around 3,000 calories per day, and was literally in the best shape of my life. Yet someone looked at that photo, and without knowing anything else about me, my health, or my weight, that person made the snap judgment that I needed to gain 10 lbs. That judgment had nothing to do with reality and everything to do with that person’s own preferences.

3) No one has ever been cured of an eating disorder by being told to eat a cheeseburger. If someone is unhealthily thin, the last thing they need is more commentary about their shape, size, or weight. In fact, negative remarks about their body are guaranteed to do more harm than good. If you are worried that someone has an eating disorder, the right thing to do is be supportive, empathetic, and refer them to the appropriate resources, not to make snarky remarks about their weight.

Respect for people’s bodies goes both ways. It is hypocritical to ask people to respect and embrace your body type if you’re mocking and making fun of other people’s body types.

Women come in all shapes and sizes. We’re all beautiful. We’re all real. And it doesn’t matter if you’re a size 6 or a size 16. If you’re for body positivity, then be for body positivity…even when those bodies aren’t shaped like yours. Otherwise, you’re just singing the same old song. And I’m really not interested in hearing it again.

(Top Image via The Lingerie Addict Facebook Page)

"Real Women, Real Bodies": Why the Lingerie Industry Has a Real Problem

Much like last year’s post on “Why Doesn’t the Lingerie Industry Like Women of Color?”, today’s article is on a subject very close to my heart, and I’ve reached a place where I can’t be quiet about it anymore. As I said in the women of color piece linked above, “The Lingerie Addict is about all aspects of the lingerie community, even the parts I don’t really like.”

I’m sure you’ve noticed the media’s obsession with “real women” lately.  From Dove and Nike’s ads in 2005 to Glamour magazine’s incredibly popular “normal woman” of 2009 to the respective campaigns of lingerie companies like Cake, Bravissimo, and Ultimo (all in 2010), the public can’t seem to get enough of real women.  But here’s the question no one’s asking:

What in the world is a “real woman?”
I love the idea of celebrating curves, and I am all for more diversity in the lingerie industry, but why does it have to come at the expense of implying some women (usually, thinner women) are “fake?”  Women come in all shapes and sizes, and they’re all real.  And there is nothing positive about saying otherwise.
Futhermore, these “real woman” campaigns don’t expand our notions of what is beautiful. Take a look at the images in this post, taken directly from the lingerie brands mentioned above.  There are almost no women of color.  There’s not a scar, tattoo, or piercing to be seen.  And everyone has perfectly straight hair and utterly flawless skin.
Now, I understand that a big part of advertising is selling an ideal, and I’m okay with that. But what I’m not okay with is, as Jezebel so eloquently put it, “the somewhat creepy trend of casting real women to represent ‘the rest of us’ while still adhering to strict representations of what is traditionally considered beautiful.”  To be perfectly honest, I find that even more disingenuous than traditional advertising because at least then no one is pretending that the model represents me.
If lingerie companies really want to empower women, if they really want to broaden the definition of beautiful, then they should do that…not by promoting false and arbitrary distinctions like “real women,” but by recognizing all women–of every shape, size, and color–are beautiful.
What do you think?  Is there a problem with this “real women, real bodies” trend?  Is it a non-issue? Share your thoughts in the comments below.Image Credits: Crystal Renn for V Magazine, Bravissimo, Cake Lingerie

Why Doesn’t the Lingerie Industry Like Women of Color?

Photo Credits: Keena Royale by Viva van Story

Today’s article is on a subject very close to my heart.  I’ve been debating if I should write this for weeks now, but after talking with other women of color in the lingerie industry and doing a bit of soul-searching myself, I’ve decided there’s no way I can’t not post this.  The Lingerie Addict is about all aspects of the lingerie community, even the parts I don’t really like.

Awhile back, I had a conversation with another woman of color in the industry (who prefers to remain anonymous), and she asked me flat out, “Why don’t lingerie companies use black models…especially in retro lingerie?”  After thinking it over, I realized this issue wasn’t limited to black women; all women of color are underrepresented in lingerie.  Hispanic, African-American, Asian, Native American…it doesn’t matter. When was the last time you saw a woman of color modeling on your favorite lingerie website?

We know (or at least I hope we know) that beauty comes in all colors, just as it comes in all shapes and sizes.  So why don’t lingerie retailers, designers, and photographers diversify their literal portfolios?  It’s gotten to where I’m surprised when I see a model of color (pleasantly surprised, but surprised all the same) and, quite frankly, that’s just sad.  Seeing a beautiful woman of color modeling lingerie shouldn’t be a shock or a rarity, it should so happen so often I barely notice it.

What do you think is the problem here?  Are there just not enough models of color?  Is the lingerie industry biased?  Do people (mistakenly) believe that women of color simply don’t look good in or appreciate fine lingerie?  I’m really interested in hearing your thoughts.  A week or so ago I asked this question on my Facebook page and got some interesting responses from lingerie fans, bloggers, and retailers alike.  Here’s what they had to say–

I really don’t know a “good” excuse for that. At first I typed reason but there is no reason, it really would be an excuse. ~Koko

Echoing Koko above, I’ll say ‘no *good* reason’. Believe me, I’ve looked around the net for my blog, and it’s a sparse-but-thankfully-beautiful-few. I’m going to guess ‘Myopia’. By 2010, I’d hate to think it’s anything else. Also, a really dumb marketing move. ~Frankufotos

I ask myself that question all the time. Although I will say that Victoria’s Secret has always had at least one. Few others can same the same. Do they think that we don’t love & wear lingerie as much as our counterparts of other races??? ~Madison

Well, when it comes to small businesses, who can’t go through agency to book professional models but rather go the semi-pro route, like in my case, I really have to say that models of colors are a rare gem. If you can book a model for 500-1,000EUR a day, knock yourself out, but in the alternative industry, there aren’t that many.  That’s just one of the reasons, of course.  ~Sophie

So very true! It’s rarely seen. And it makes no sense. Their should be more lingerie models of color out there! I was at the CurveNY Expo and there was such a gorgeous girl modeling lingerie – and it made me wonder why aren’t there more! ~Jenny

Within the UK, less than 10% of the population at the time of the last census defined themselves as BME (Black & Minority Ethnic). The distribution varies widely from area to area, though. Still, worth bearing in mind for UK brands who sell predominantly in the UK, the situation is somewhat different from the USA.  ~Catherine 

I had this conversation right after our SS11 shoot when talking about who I wanted to model the next season and who would serve as my muse, so definitely stay tuned for our next shoot. As a designer I think it’s important to portray beauty in every woman, and absolutely agree that in the industry as a whole there is a lot less color than there could/should be. I also agree with Sophie; it’s definitely hard to find professional models on a budget, and that can narrow the pool! ~Layla